Comments for It's Not About Freedom at http://www.no-libs.com , comment 0 to 20 out of 21 comments http://www.no-libs.com Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:12:04 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_309 lie much, dick? your three claims in your post are complete horse puckey. the child was removed from her mother's custody because the mother was behaving irrationally and exploiting her child in that endeavor. but you go ahead and lie to defend neo-nazis, if that's your thing. and i know it is.... KEvron - KEveroni Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:16:56 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_305 Funny how time after time Ezra brings up other such groups and the Toronto Lawyer refused to answer the question. Only Nazi's are bad theres a story in a magazine called west Central streets in Winnipeg about how a Commie got Castro to write a letter to his son given that commies killed far more than Nazi's Should the Commies son be taken away? Given that Comies killed over a hundred million. I like how they say she had Nazi Pamphlets in her home is this really books on WWII? Do I trust them? Nope. Plus theres a town called Swastika in Ontario should they all be locked up? What a sleaze form Ontario, >:( - maddinosaur Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:57:06 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_302 Ok I have re thought this issue and perhaps the child social services did over-react. I am not excited about a child living under the influence of someone that admires Hitler. Lets be clear as well that she had nazi pamphlets and hitler stuff in her home. I agree if blacks can do their black pride then whites can have white pride, however these same people are not honest about their aims and goals. I met Wolfgang Droege on several occasions in Toronto and while he refused to say he was a nazi he admired Hitler and had close associations with Zundel. His followers routinely gave seig heil salutes and he said it was "just youthfull enery and pride of their race" Well we all know what that led to in nazi Germany i.e the killing of 6 million Jews. Do I like what this mother has for ideals? NO, but I suppose the state may not at some time like my ideals and while I dont have kids, well enough to say we do have to protect kids, but as Richard said " who holds the pencil" - Merle Terlesky Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:33:34 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_300 Merle, A private lawsuit, whether SLAPP or not, is clearly not the same as the state regulating or prosecuting speech. The 'end result' is quite different. Again, you are advocating for the state to be able to decide what is 'hate' and what constitutes the childs 'interests'. Why do you think it is safe for unelected beaurucrats to be able to take people's children away for their beliefs? Again, if they decide christian literature is hateful (as the HRC's already have) what is stopping them from taking away all christians children? Nothing. - Real Canuck Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:00:22 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_299 It may be the courts true and not a HRC but is the end result not the same? Not if truth is on your side, no. By the way, you didn't answer the question... Where are we going to draw the line and who gets to hold the pencil? - Richard Evans Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:55:53 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_298 Thank you Richard, and yes I do understand that point of the defense. The point is that in order to get to a Judge to make that point it can cost thousands of dollars and you can end up fighting a SLAPP suit. I am not going to comment directly on the Ezra vs Merle suit. But anyone who knows defamation law and the courts can drag someone through this for months and in the end stiffle their free sepeech. It may be the courts true and not a HRC but is the end result not the same? - Merle Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:37:00 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_297 This is nanny getting horribly out of control. The lack of foresight as to where feel-good policies could end up got us to where we are. Yup... - Richard Evans Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:10:09 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_296 I dont have this cult like worship for Ezra like some of you that he can do no wrong. The good that he's doing is being cheered. That doesn't mean that everything else is being overlooked or that he has any sort of "cult" following. Clarification: Tyson Cormack of Calgary was charged with assault- he is a homosexual activist that was at the parade. Yes, you're correct. You were attacked by one of the rump-humpers that you were protesting. I wasn't implying that you were violent, just that not all of your "peaceful" protests end "peacefully". To the original point; You have the right to go out and publicly share your views while standing on a street corner protesting. Those views reach everyone who happens by, be they an elderly woman or a young boy. What gives you the right to do that? Does the mother in the story not have those same rights? Who are you to stand on a corner holding a "Sodomy is Sin" sign, in plain view of everyone, while denying this mother her right to pass her own values on to her own children? I'll say it again: If we're going to draw a line, Merle, where's it going to be and who gets to hold the pencil? Until you answer that question, any further discussion is pointless... :'( - Richard Evans Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:57:32 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_295 Richard: Merle has a pathological bitterness on for Levant that makes his argumentation irrational and reflexive any place where Levant is concerned. He has tunnel vision. Ezra is suing him for defamation because of some things Merle wrote in a letter to the editor that got published in a crappy magazine that nobody reads. I can't say that I agree with Ezra in his suit but he has the legal right to pursue it. Merle thinks that it's hypocritical of Ezra to be fighting the thought police while pursuing the defamation suit. What Merle doesn't understand is that there is a huge difference between "state censorship of thought and speech at the whim of faceless bureaucrats" and a "private legal case between two parties". With the former there is no real legal defense. With the latter, truth and the concept of "fair comment" are a defense. In Merle's case, I hope he has truth on his side and wins the suit. Maybe then he'll be able to take off the blinders and have a good look at what's going on around him. He's a Christian. Maybe then he'll be able to see that the next group being targeted as being hateful, by the thought police, is his... - Richard Evans Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:30:36 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_294 This is nanny getting horribly out of control. The lack of foresight as to where feel-good policies could end up got us to where we are. If you read Richard Dawkins "The God Delusion", he makes an incredible case for religious upbringing being mental "abuse". In the interest of fairness, equality, etc perhaps we should be plucking kids from Churches on Sunday mornings. We all know that Muslim's generally hate Jews, Christians, and everybody else other than other Muslims. We know that (generally) they are also Islam supremacists. They are today’s “Nazis”, at least the radical ones. Should their snotty narcissistic attitude to the rest of us be grounds to take away their kids? Sure, why not. After all if we did this across the board and had been fair perhaps Omar Khadr wouldn’t be rotting in Gitmo. How about those kids at rallies for pot, or gay rights? Bring ‘em in too. What’s fair is fair. Maybe if a parent gets caught shoplifting while in the presence of their child? Come to think of it, the environmentalists need a whoopin’ too. This Global Warming stuff; it’s all a scam yet they no doubt teach their kids that crap. Those kids need to be saved. I remember some enviro freaks blocking mosquito fogging trucks with kids in tow – round ‘em up. As for Rosenthal, he and others like him need to be "denormalized". The absolute worse aspect of our present society is thinking with emotions instead of logic mostly because everyone has “feelings” yet few use their brains. That was what his salespitch was for. - Rick in Wpg Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:08:22 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_293 My right to peacefuly protest a gay pride parade is not the same as the danger of a parent indoctrinating their child with nazi like hate. "If I remember correctly, your gay pride protest didn't end all that peacefully. Assault charges were laid were they not? So far, your "peaceful" protests have led to more violence than the girl with the swastika has experienced" Clarification: Tyson Cormack of Calgary was charged with assault- he is a homosexual activist that was at the parade. Merle Terlesky has never been charged with a violent act ever in the province of Alberta and I deeply resent the implication that I have ever been violent. Jeff Willerton of Airdrie was at the parade with me and can testify as to what happened. Richard we should be able to disagree without making personal jabs and implying wrong info-please kindly clarify what you wrote. It was not me waving a hezbollah flag around at that rally we were at either Richard. - Merle Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:55:23 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_292 Lol WL thats funny, now if someone disagrees with Ezra its Pathalogical? Some have a need to shove their nose so far up ones arse well you know the rest. I worked for the man for 3 years and built up 90% of the ad revenue at the WS in the 1st 2 years. whow me an ad in the magazines early years and it was my sale. I agree with Ezra on many things and some I dont. I dont have this cult like worship for Ezra like some of you that he can do no wrong. Too many people have that going on. He is doing some admirable work indeed. BTW who are you anyhow William? Give us your real name. Richard I have a lot of respect for, but I sure hope Richard you were not saying I was violant at all at gay pride ar that I am a vioelent person??? As that wouid simply not be true and you know it. I was assaulted at gay pride and you know that- I was not charged, but the 250pd guy was. Please Richard dont put me in a place that would lead me to believe that you Are saying I am violent. There is no truth or defence for such a statment to be made. - Merle Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:46:02 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_291 Richard: Merle has a pathological bitterness on for Levant that makes his argumentation irrational and reflexive any place where Levant is concerned. As for Rosenthal and the child grabbers: It IS about FREEDOM Mr. Rosenthal. Personal freedom from state enmity is all that keeps us from the fascist hell-state you obsess over. - WL Mackenzie Redux Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:29:02 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_290 My right to peacefuly protest a gay pride parade is not the same as the danger of a parent indoctrinating their child with nazi like hate. If I remember correctly, your gay pride protest didn't end all that peacefully. Assault charges were laid were they not? So far, your "peaceful" protests have led to more violence than the girl with the swastika has experienced. [quote]I went to a Heritage Front concert in Toronto way back when Wolfgang Droege ( now dead) was in charge and met a girl that was maybe 15 years old- or younger. She said she hated Jews and one day they would all be dead. She said it very calmly and that was the scary part. It turns out her parents were Klan and the people before them. It can be generational.[/quote] The same could be said for a lot of Muslim kids. Are you advocating that they be taken away from their parents as well? 1st of all that woman in Winnipeg is not being honest by not calling her self a nazi as thats just cloak. If you think she likes swastika's just for the shape of it you are sadly mistaken. White pride sounds better. What about all the women that call themselves "progressive" as opposed to the correct term, "communist"? Should we be taking their children away as well? Its abuse Richard to raise a child in that type of upbringing... By what standard? Like I said earlier, if we're going to draw a line, where's it going to be and who gets to hold the pencil? Libertarians take this stuff to far. Would you be saying that if it were your children that were taken? When Mormom cults are making 15 year old girl pregnant and married to their Uncle its time to do something!! There are laws in regards to cults making 15 year old girls pregnant. Same thing goes with "Uncles". The same goes for this Winnipeg situation. Neither the little girl or her mother did anything illegal. Period! The state has yet in Canada to take a child away because their parents are Baptists!! have you seen one case of that where the state has said you cant teach your child that Jesus loves you. I don't know if you've been paying attention or not but the "state" has been, very recently, ruling that Christian teachings are hateful... People are being fined for publicly expressing opinion based in Christian theology. If the thought police can use the idea that a child is being brought up in a "hateful" environment to remove said child from the home, do you really think that they'll discriminate between the different types of "hateful" environment that they encounter? I don't know about you Merle but I have no desire to live in a society where people are persecuted for their socio-political views at the whim of faceless bureaucrats. - Richard Evans Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:11:25 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_289 Richard, My right to peacefuly protest a gay pride parade is not the same as the danger of a parent indoctrinating their child with nazi like hate. I went to a Heritage Front concert in Toronto way back when Wolfgang Droege ( now dead) was in charge and met a girl that was maybe 15 years old- or younger. She said she hated Jews and one day they would all be dead. She said it very calmly and that was the scary part. It turns out her parents were Klan and the people before them. It can be generational. 1st of all that woman in Winnipeg is not being honest by not calling her self a nazi as thats just cloak. If you think she likes swastika's just for the shape of it you are sadly mistaken. White pride sounds better. Its abuse Richard to raise a child in that type of upbringing and you can not nor do I compare it to a NDP or peacnik upbringing at all. Sure the NDP is bad and stupid politics, but it does not lead to violance and hatred of racial minorties. Nor does raising a kid in a homosexul family nor does gay pride marches. Libertarians take this stuff to far. When Mormom cults are making 15 year old girl pregnant and married to their Uncle its time to do something!! The same goes for this Winnipeg situation. The state has yet in Canada to take a child away because their parents are Baptists!! have you seen one case of that where the state has said you cant teach your child that Jesus loves you. Its not that its offensive i.e this nazi stuff its that its dangerous and perhaps lethal. - Merle Terlesky Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:32:00 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_288 After watching that clip, I think this growing ideological culture war is going to come to a lot of shooting at some point. You know, a good old fashioned civil war. I has happened many times before and it can happen again. These are not issues that can be debated to a logical conclusion because there is little logic coming from the fascist kid Nappers who are running the horrid nanny sate that used to be Canada. I have noted in my long life that kids rarely take on their parents values anyway. They like to do the opposite. That's how we got hippies isn't it? And look what the hippies have given us ... political correctness, multiculturalism, nanny-statism, Big time welfare, a drug culture, the CHRC and pretty much everything that is wrong with our society today. To quote Kate M. "Someday all the hippies will be dead". Lets hope they don't succeed in taking our society with them. Keep going Ezra. You appear to be our last best hope to stop these fuckers. - John West Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:07:02 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_287 Right on Richard! ... What Rob C said.... - ABF Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:46:28 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_286 Richard .... I would say turds like the pompous windbag toronto lawyer ( WHO GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM IN HIS HAT) feels the he and his ilk are the only ones qualified to hold the pencil. - Rob C Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:36:06 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_285 Richard Evans - exactly! I find those parents (mainly mothers) who dress their little girls up like hookers (kiddie beauty pageants) to be offensive and disgusting, but are they child abusers? The government doesn't think so; they haven't rounded up those kids. Where are they going to put this child who was taken from her neo-Nazi parent? In a residential school? - Sheila T Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:47:27 +0100 http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38942&Itemid=9#pc_284 It's those libertarian values that allow you to attend gay pride parades holding up your anti-gay signs Merle. How many times have you complained about the hippies dragging their kids to peace rallies or to the afore mentioned pride parades? How many kids do you see at LPC, NDP and CPC rallies? Christians are offensive in our multi-cult society. Should the government be taking Christian kids away from their parents? If we're going to draw a line Merle, where's it going to be and who gets to hold the fucking pencil? - Richard Evans Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:46:45 +0100